alf2: current state - insights

[Bamboori]

will you disable the transforming then? or do you have to press d in defend again?

[YinYin]

@TheNave (Click to View)

is there be a problem with using state 19 in those fire-dashing frames? I think the fire smoke effect wouldn't look bad

there is a problem not using it
i am in fact using it
but the smoke is somewhat rare
look at the running gif - it only has one smoke particle during the run itself
the dash just happened to have none
but as soon as you get out of a state 19 frame you get lots of smoke as you can see

@Bamboori (Click to View)

will you disable the transforming then? or do you have to press d in defend again?

aha
now i know why you were asking
well there are 3 scenarios (there is no disabling or change in how the transformation works):

• you are super quick (simultaneous DJA) - instant transform, no dash defend
• you are moderately quick (normal D+J+A) - transform during the 'crouch' of the dash defend (thus the dash defend is canceled - also you won't see rudolf getting down, just tilting forward a bit)
• you are surprisingly slow (D + J + A) - you perform the dash defend and transform as soon as you land

all of these feel pretty good

next up: john JA action or stage 2 trees

[Lauli]

Ooh sweet combo!
Actually is it possible to have a bounce attack when you're attacking from the back?
Can you turn around when Firen performs an ignited dash?

John JA action.
Also, the Firen dash needs transition frames. Haha no, jk.

[Azriel]

makes me feel that >> (DA) J will make him do a flaming dash, similar for D>J J



Azriel~

[YinYin]

this is one of the very few instances where i have messed with the original
because normally john does not actually move during this animation
and thus would very abruptly shift back once he is done, which has always bugged me a lot

@Lauli (Click to View)

Actually is it possible to have a bounce attack when you're attacking from the back?

no - and i want to keep it that way

Can you turn around when Firen performs an ignited dash?

no

Also, the Firen dash needs transition frames. Haha no, jk.

might not be too much of a problem

@Azriel (Click to View)

makes me feel that >> (DA) J will make him do a flaming dash, similar for D>J J

it does
it's the same frames after all

next up: henry arrow rain or a rudolf combo

[Zabobula]

this is one of the very few instances where i have messed with the original
because normally john does not actually move during this animation
and thus would very abruptly shift back once he is done, which has always bugged me a lot

@Lauli (Click to View)

Actually is it possible to have a bounce attack when you're attacking from the back?

no - and i want to keep it that way

Can you turn around when Firen performs an ignited dash?

no

Also, the Firen dash needs transition frames. Haha no, jk.

might not be too much of a problem

@Azriel (Click to View)

makes me feel that >> (DA) J will make him do a flaming dash, similar for D>J J

it does
it's the same frames after all

next up: henry arrow rain or a rudolf combo

Rudolf combo ftw?

(Click to View)

Is there really a way to decrease the input method to just DA? (Sorry for asking)

[Lauli]

So is it also possible to start a normal firerun with D>J and then cancel it, but still keep running?
Because that quick ignition feature is sweet!

[TheNave]

]there is a problem not using it
i am in fact using it
but the smoke is somewhat rare
look at the running gif - it only has one smoke particle during the run itself
the dash just happened to have none
but as soon as you get out of a state 19 frame you get lots of smoke as you can see

well, there are 2 repeating frames, aren't there? how about changing the state of one of them to 15, so it'd create lots of smoke every second frame when it changes from 19 to 15

[YinYin]

@Zabobula (Click to View)

Is there really a way to decrease the input method to just DA?

http://www.lf-empire.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=804

@Lauli (Click to View)

So is it also possible to start a normal firerun with D>J and then cancel it, but still keep running?

yes

@TheNave (Click to View)

well, there are 2 repeating frames, aren't there? how about changing the state of one of them to 15, so it'd create lots of smoke every second frame when it changes from 19 to 15

that would create more smoke than i ever wanted

next up: stage 1 bandit entry or stage 2 trees

[nehalbordoloi]

Nice Combo

Stage 1 bandit entry